Opened 14 years ago

Last modified 6 years ago

#3266 enhancement new

Provide tools for managing new deprecation policy

Reported by: Jonathan Lange Owned by:
Priority: normal Milestone:
Component: core Keywords: deprecation policy
Cc: Branch: branches/deprecation-tool-3266-3
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Author: exarkun


Twisted has recently adopted a new deprecation policy (see thread starting at

We need to have tools to make following this policy as easy as pie.

Change History (20)

comment:1 Changed 14 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

Resolution: invalid
Status: newclosed

Please re-open if you can describe the tool.

comment:2 Changed 13 years ago by radix

Resolution: invalid
Status: closedreopened

Here is what we should do in the first implementation:

twisted.python.deprecation.deprecate should be a function twisted.python.deprecation.release_8_1 should be an object which encapsulates both a Version and a Date of release. Either every time a release is done, or every time a deprecation is first added after a particular release, a new release_* constant should be added.

deprecate(most_recent_version, "text", other_warning_arguments) will emit either a PendingDeprecationWarning or a DeprecationWarning, depending on whether the passed in version is more than 6 months and two releases away from whatever the current version is (defined by twisted.version).


Provide a twisted.python.deprecation.NEXT_RELEASE which, during release or during an SVN commit hook, will automatically be replaced by the literal name of the constant for the most recent release.

comment:3 Changed 13 years ago by radix

I guess we'll definitely need to associate a date with each new release when it's released, so deprecate() has something to compare the passed version with.

comment:4 Changed 13 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

Owner: changed from Jonathan Lange to Jean-Paul Calderone
Status: reopenednew

So, for example, instead of writing:

def foo(x, y):
    return x + y

we should write:

def foo(x, y):
    deprecate(twisted.python.deprecate.release_8_1_0, "Don't use foo; use bar.", stacklevel=2)

Or should we keep using the current twisted.python.deprecate.deprecated and change the implementation of that function? Perhaps we should still write the first version above, but twisted.python.deprecate.deprecated should be the thing which is checking dates and knows about the current version number?

The only thing the current API is missing is the date information. We could make that information available (ie, a dict keyed on version objects). On the other hand, maybe that will just result in a fragile mess that we should avoid.

There are four uses of twisted.python.deprecate.deprecated in our code base now and they're all basically the same. They create a new Version giving the version of Twisted they expect to first be released in and then they create a decorator with it.

So okay, I guess we do need a new API. The current one doesn't express enough information for the use-case of Twisted deprecations - it's too general. I'm tempted to put this code in twisted.python._release instead of some other public module anywhere. It's really really really for Twisted only (even more than the release stuff, which just happens to not be general purpose).

comment:5 Changed 13 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

author: exarkun
Branch: branches/deprecation-tool-3266

(In [24764]) Branching to 'deprecation-tool-3266'

comment:6 Changed 13 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

Forget what I said about this being for Twisted only. It clearly has general purpose applications. But I'm still going to start it off as a private thing.

comment:7 Changed 13 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

Status: newassigned

comment:8 Changed 13 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

This is looking like this at the moment:

from twisted.python._release import deprecation, twisted_8_1

def foo(x):

I hope testing can still be done with callDeprecated but it's not clear how that will work yet.

comment:9 Changed 13 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

Difficulties with testing:

  • callDeprecated takes a version instead of a release
  • the warning text emitted will probably be change after the first release the deprecation is included in
  • there's already assertWarns and callDeprecated and I feel bad adding a third API
  • All the stuff that the API needs to know about is in twisted.python._release. Putting a method into trial for it seems bad.

I'm leaning towards... something based on a general warning catching API, I guess? Still not really sure.

comment:10 Changed 13 years ago by Jonathan Lange

Random thoughts:

  • Re-use callDeprecated, have it send a deprecation signal if it is passed a version.
  • I don't think warning text needs to be explicitly part of the test. It's enough to test that it raises the right sort of warning.
  • I'd feel bad about a third API too.
  • This might be an argument for having a base test case that's there for Twisted-specific needs and doesn't make API promises to the rest of the world.
  • Or maybe it's an argument for liberating assertions from the shackles of TestCase objects.
  • In any case, it's not too bad to have domain-specific assertions in Trial. After all, it will make it easier to write good tests for things that change APIs.
  • I'd probably be happy with a general warning catching API that had specifics for our deprecation system.
  • IMO, the goal is to make it easy, even fun, to deprecate bad things.

comment:11 Changed 13 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

Branch: branches/deprecation-tool-3266branches/deprecation-tool-3266-2

(In [24855]) Branching to 'deprecation-tool-3266-2'

comment:12 Changed 13 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

Now I'm thinking about something like this:

from twisted.python.deprecate import _DeprecationPolicy, _Release
from twisted.python._release import deprecation, twisted_8_0

def foo():

    def test_foo(self):

This implies some stuff:

  • deprecate most or all of twisted.python.deprecate
  • deprecate callDeprecated
  • deprecate assertWarns
  • add a better warning observer to trial
  • add support for emitting any non-flushed warnings at the end of each test

comment:13 Changed 13 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

Maybe I'll document some motivation before I forget it:

  • callDeprecated and failUnlessWarns make dealing with the stack level difficult. Stack levels are fragile, and you don't really care about them anyway, you care about where the warning message ultimately points in your code. Having something like offendingFunction (perhaps to be augmented later with the addition of mutually exclusive offendingModule and offendingClass (any others?) lets tests express what they really care about. Of course, it's still a little redundant, since most often the test method itself will be the offending function, but this won't always be the case. (just as stacklevel=2 isn't always right)
  • The python warnings module is so hard to work with, having higher order functions is hard, because it suggests that certain things are possible (nesting, for example) when they really aren't.
  • This approach is more flexible, since the result is a data structure representing warnings, and each test can write the most appropriate assertions for the particular case being tested. failUnlessWarns and callDeprecated both suffer from the limitation that more than one warning causes them to flip out, and callDeprecated can only handle DeprecationWarnings (not PendingDeprecationWarning or any other warning category - although it likely doesn't care about non-deprecation warnings) and can't handle a different string message associated with the warning.
  • callDeprecated and failUnlessWarns also don't accept a release-like object, only a version, and they accept a version which represents the wrong thing (since the developer can't know what the right version to pass will be until a release following their development happens). This could be rectified by handling different types in each of these methods, but I started off trying that and it results in very ugly code which would involve emitting a deprecation for the old style /anyway/ eventually.
  • the deprecation object can eventually support many different kinds of deprecations (calling this function is deprecated, importing this module is deprecated, passing this argument to this function is deprecated, not defining this attribute on this object you passed to this function is deprecated, etc) and flushWarnings allows all of these to be tested. twisted.python.deprecate.deprecated would have difficulty with this.

comment:14 Changed 13 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

Branch: branches/deprecation-tool-3266-2branches/deprecation-tool-3266-3

(In [24936]) Branching to 'deprecation-tool-3266-3'

comment:15 Changed 13 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

(In [25013]) merge flushWarnings changes from #3266 branch

refs #3487 refs #3266

comment:16 Changed 12 years ago by Jean-Paul Calderone

Status: assignednew

comment:17 Changed 11 years ago by <automation>

Owner: Jean-Paul Calderone deleted

comment:18 Changed 9 years ago by Tom Prince

#5645 is about documenting how to do deprecations, #6266 about suppressing the warning in tests of the deprecated function that aren't about deprecation.

comment:19 Changed 8 years ago by Tom Prince

Keywords: deprecation policy added; deprecation-policy removed

comment:20 Changed 6 years ago by Adi Roiban

Do we still need / want this type of API?

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