[Twisted-web] Introduction, newbie confusion plus an offer

[Matt Goodall]

Uwe (Peter) Feldtmann wrote:
> Thank you. My confusion came from being on the twisted and nevow lists.
> 
> Should we discuss nevow here or on divmod?

Here in twisted-web.

AFAIK, there is no Nevow discussion on divmod but it may be that I'm not 
subscribed to the right divmod list ;-).

- Matt

> 
> Matt Goodall wrote:
> 
>> Uwe (Peter) Feldtmann wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone tell me where Nevow starts and where Twisted ends?  I 
>>> think Nevow needs Twisted but where is the development source held? 
>>> Is it at nevow.com divmod.org or in the Twisted source tree?
>>
>>
>>
>> Nevow code is at divmod.org. Twisted code is at twistedmatrix.com.
>>
>> Strictly speaking, Nevow doesn't need Twisted or rather, Nevow should 
>> be able to function without Twisted. However, there are twisted 
>> imports and a few Twisted-specific bits of code in Nevow.
>>
>> To be honest, I'm not sure if anyone is that interested in 
>> *completely* separating Nevow from Twisted. You can use Nevow outside 
>> of a Twisted event loop anyway.
>>
>> Note that some of the Nevow concepts are moving back into 
>> twisted.web2. At some point Nevow will start using t.web2 and, 
>> hopefully, we'll be able to remove (with backwards compatability) 
>> module from Nevow and rely on the t.web2 equivalents.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Ed Suominen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lloyd, as a fairly experienced Nevow user who has gone through the same
>>>> frustrations, I'll gladly help to the extent what you're writing about
>>>> applies to Nevow. I understand that Twisted.web2 is more like Nevow 
>>>> than
>>>> Twisted.web, so that may make sense. (Actually, you may want to use
>>>> Nevow -- check it out at http://nevow.org/.)
>>>> Contact me directly if interested. Also, don't forget the #twisted.web
>>>> channel on the Freenode IRC server, which is an excellent real-time
>>>> resource that has helped me a great deal with questions.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Ed Suominen
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 14:33 -0400, lloyd at paisite.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm Lloyd, I'm baffled, and I'd like to offer my modest talents to 
>>>>> help
>>>>> others like me come up to speed with Twisted.web in record time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been looking for a way to bring a large ColdFusion application 
>>>>> over
>>>>> to Python. Twisted.web looks to offer all that I could wish for and 
>>>>> more.
>>>>> The work to date is awe-inspiring. But... the documentation,
>>>>> well-intentioned as it is, and much more ample than in many Open 
>>>>> Source
>>>>> projects, truly baffles me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm first to admit my limitations: I'm still in the early learning 
>>>>> stages
>>>>> of Python; I understand OO conceptually, but have little experience
>>>>> writing or reading OO code; and, approaching the golden years, 
>>>>> undoubtably
>>>>> have far fewer functioning neurons than most of the subscribers to 
>>>>> this
>>>>> list, much less the brilliant young turks who have created the Twisted
>>>>> framework.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, browsing through the archives, it's clear that I am not alone 
>>>>> in my
>>>>> confusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I'd like to make a proposal:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have many years of writing and editing experience. Back in the 
>>>>> days when
>>>>> personal computers were still connected to audio cassette 
>>>>> recorders, and I
>>>>> was as excited but unenlightened about PCs as I am now about 
>>>>> Twisted, I
>>>>> contributed three well-received articles to Personal Computing 
>>>>> magazine
>>>>> under the name Techo Turkey. These helped readers hook up IBM 
>>>>> Selectric
>>>>> Terminals to their new PCs, create a computer-controlled haunted 
>>>>> house for
>>>>> Halloween, and set up a computer-controlled home security system.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like now to offer to write some supplementary documentation 
>>>>> for
>>>>> Twisted.web aimed at turkeys like me -- the really really basic 
>>>>> stuff plus
>>>>> sure-to-work examples that can bring even Mickey-the-Dunce to 
>>>>> sufficient
>>>>> level of understanding that he can participate creatively in the 
>>>>> Twisted
>>>>> community.
>>>>>
>>>>> The catch: I need knowledgeable folks willing to answer my many many
>>>>> stupid questions like, once you've installed Twisted from, say, 
>>>>> Debian,
>>>>> where should what files go and how should permissions be defined?
>>>>> Undoubtably these generous mentors would also need to critique my 
>>>>> newbie
>>>>> code and perhaps, even, submit examples of their own. Who know, 
>>>>> maybe we
>>>>> could even get a book out of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any takers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Lloyd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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