[Twisted-Python] Twisted Plugins - Implementation Discussion

[David]

On 04/22/2011 03:41 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 4:01 AM, David<david at silveregg.co.jp>  wrote:
>> On 04/22/2011 06:21 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Kevin Horn<kevin.horn at gmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>> cluster****.  So he rewrote distutils with an eye on keeping things nice for
>>>> everyone.  Project managers, distro packagers, users installing software,
>>>> etc.  This is distutils2.  In Python 3.3 and up it will be called
>>>> "packaging".  Once people start using it, it will make a lot of the current
>>>> packaging headaches in the Python world go away.
>>>
>>> Are you sure about that? Where is the list of stories it will solve
>>> when people start using it, so I can check that my cases are covered
>>> by distutils2 insurance plan?
>>
>> [OT]
>> You can take a look at bento, which is my own response to the distutils
>> issues we have in the scipy community (but I would expect twisted and
>> most big python libraries to have similar issues):
>>
>> http://cournape.github.com/Bento/
>>
>> It is designed from the ground up with the idea of reliable
>> customization and complex build supports. It can already build numpy and
>> scipy with a near 50 % reduction in LOC compared to our setup.py, and
>> more reliably thanks to using a real build tool in the backend (waf, but
>> you can add support for a different one if you want).
>
> [OT]
> I still can't see how it solves even the basic user story - 'i want to
> uninstall twisted' or 'i want two versions of twisted installed'.

Bento's point is: make packagers life easier (without making life of 
users more miserable), so that you are more likely than before to be 
able to use the native tools. People who are happy installing from 
sources will not be disrupted, and people like me who hate source 
install and love linux packaging (or windows .msi for that matter) can 
actually build those without going insane trying to understand distutils.

> Absolute paths in examples won't work on Windows

Of course they do - like in distutils, I translate them inside bento so 
that everything works on any platform.

cheers,

David