[Twisted-Python] ldaptor feedback
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Wed Jul 2 14:32:37 EDT 2003
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 04:30:40PM +0000, Clark C. Evans wrote:
> I'll name 3 common internet protocols which often in large
> enterprises are hooked up to LDAP...
> IMAP, SAMBA, SMTP
Just say "accounts".
Just about the only use for LDAP anywhere is to store
users. It's cool. When you have thousands of them on
different boxes, /etc/passwd gets boring. But still,
it's only accounts. (The only real exception I know is
certification revocation lists.)
But don't overinflate that role. The only reasons LDAP
is alive are because SQL is ugly, the databases are
slow and/or expensive, and DNS is very limited.
Think about it. LDAP isn't used to publish spam blacklists.
It isn't used to index emails. It isn't used to find files
in Samba shares. It isn't used to hold email. These are
all things DNS or databases have been used for (mostly
unsuccesfully, but that isn't relevant here). LDAP just isn't
used _that_ much.
So use pushed them into a package and renamed pureldap
to "request", which is false and misleading?
s/pure/wire./ might be doable. But ldap isn't request,
its all things ldappy (everything on the write that isn't
But you can't rename a module there "ldap", that's a horrible
name. Thus, I named them "pure*", for two things: pure python,
and pure also as in no dependencies; they are perfectly
> | There's no way around it. For what is in the Twisted core,
> | he wants to have freedoms the LGPL doesn't give him. I don't
> | want to donate expected ~30000 lines of python away just
> | like that; I want to make him be bound to LGPL, just like
> | everyone else.
> Assume for a moment that a foundation (similar to Apache) is
> formed for Twisted. What characteristics of this organization
> are required for you to be 'comfortable' with the code being
Umm. A moral stand I can agree with. "Sell to the game industry
if they pay $$$" is not one. Unless I _work_ to create the thing
sold; I'm willing to sell my moral, but the price isn't what
glyph/$FOUNDATION maybe one day might give me -- it's a lot of
money per month, starting right now.
For pocket money, I prefer to not give my freedoms away; in fact,
I want more freedoms if at all possible.
I _want_ the bugfixes $CORPORATION makes.
Just to clarify: I'm not accusing glyph. I'm not blaming him.
There is no reason to continue this discussion. In fact,
he would probably prefer this discussion never happened. There
is no conflict here. We are in perfect agreement on this, as
far as I know. If I were him, I'd try to sell Twisted, too.
And he's free to sell Ldaptor, too. I'm just not giving him
any special rights to it; you are as priviledged as glyph, in
> | Let me repeat myself. If installing one library is too
> | much effort for you, you are using the wrong OS.
> I'd rather not have twisted require a package management
> service to download all the third party components necessary.
Missing the point. Twisted doesn't have to depend on Ldaptor.
In fact, it never would (I wouldn't want it and glyph won't
allow it). Your favorite mail reader, written using Twisted
and the IMAP client protocol in Twisted can probe for Ldaptor
and enable its address book functions on the fly.
Can we just get on with the programming? I accept patches.
Ldaptor isn't hard to install; if it is, I accept patches
even for improving that :)
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