[Twisted-web] Introduction, newbie confusion plus an offer

Simon Hedberg simon at hedberg.net
Thu Jul 7 02:51:17 MDT 2005

Great work Kieran!
It's inspiring to see docs like that. If we could manage to produce
similar documents on the other parts of Nevow I think we'd be in good
shape. Like you've noted in the appendix a context tutorial and a
overview of the interfaces would probably be a good thing to start

Lloyd, can you tell me more about the scope of the document(s) you are
planning?  (Ie, is it setting up a server, creating webpages or using
the components of twisted.web or something else?).


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To: Discussion of twisted.web, Nevow, and Woven
Subject: Re: [Twisted-web] Introduction, newbie confusion plus an offer

Partly in an effort to clear up my own confusion, I have just been
putting together some documentation on Stan, Nevow's document object
model.  This is my first draft and I am fairly new to Nevow so don't
take it as gospel:


I would greatly value feedback from more experienced Nevow users.


On 07/07/05, Ed Suominen <general at eepatents.com> wrote:
> Lloyd, as a fairly experienced Nevow user who has gone through the 
> same frustrations, I'll gladly help to the extent what you're writing 
> about applies to Nevow. I understand that Twisted.web2 is more like 
> Nevow than Twisted.web, so that may make sense. (Actually, you may 
> want to use Nevow -- check it out at http://nevow.org/.)
> Contact me directly if interested. Also, don't forget the #twisted.web

> channel on the Freenode IRC server, which is an excellent real-time 
> resource that has helped me a great deal with questions.
> Best regards,
> Ed Suominen
> On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 14:33 -0400, lloyd at paisite.com wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm Lloyd, I'm baffled, and I'd like to offer my modest talents to 
> > help others like me come up to speed with Twisted.web in record 
> > time.
> >
> > I've been looking for a way to bring a large ColdFusion application 
> > over to Python. Twisted.web looks to offer all that I could wish for

> > and more. The work to date is awe-inspiring. But... the 
> > documentation, well-intentioned as it is, and much more ample than 
> > in many Open Source projects, truly baffles me.
> >
> > I'm first to admit my limitations: I'm still in the early learning 
> > stages of Python; I understand OO conceptually, but have little 
> > experience writing or reading OO code; and, approaching the golden 
> > years, undoubtably have far fewer functioning neurons than most of 
> > the subscribers to this list, much less the brilliant young turks 
> > who have created the Twisted framework.
> >
> > But, browsing through the archives, it's clear that I am not alone 
> > in my confusion.
> >
> > So, I'd like to make a proposal:
> >
> > I have many years of writing and editing experience. Back in the 
> > days when personal computers were still connected to audio cassette 
> > recorders, and I was as excited but unenlightened about PCs as I am 
> > now about Twisted, I contributed three well-received articles to 
> > Personal Computing magazine under the name Techo Turkey. These 
> > helped readers hook up IBM Selectric Terminals to their new PCs, 
> > create a computer-controlled haunted house for Halloween, and set up

> > a computer-controlled home security system.
> >
> > I would like now to offer to write some supplementary documentation 
> > for Twisted.web aimed at turkeys like me -- the really really basic 
> > stuff plus sure-to-work examples that can bring even 
> > Mickey-the-Dunce to sufficient level of understanding that he can 
> > participate creatively in the Twisted community.
> >
> > The catch: I need knowledgeable folks willing to answer my many many

> > stupid questions like, once you've installed Twisted from, say, 
> > Debian, where should what files go and how should permissions be 
> > defined? Undoubtably these generous mentors would also need to 
> > critique my newbie code and perhaps, even, submit examples of their 
> > own. Who know, maybe we could even get a book out of it.
> >
> > Any takers?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Lloyd
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