[Twisted-web] Introduction, newbie confusion plus an offer

Kieran Holland kieran.holland at gmail.com
Wed Jul 6 17:05:07 MDT 2005

Partly in an effort to clear up my own confusion, I have just been
putting together some documentation on Stan, Nevow's document object
model.  This is my first draft and I am fairly new to Nevow so don't
take it as gospel:


I would greatly value feedback from more experienced Nevow users.


On 07/07/05, Ed Suominen <general at eepatents.com> wrote:
> Lloyd, as a fairly experienced Nevow user who has gone through the same
> frustrations, I'll gladly help to the extent what you're writing about
> applies to Nevow. I understand that Twisted.web2 is more like Nevow than
> Twisted.web, so that may make sense. (Actually, you may want to use
> Nevow -- check it out at http://nevow.org/.)
> Contact me directly if interested. Also, don't forget the #twisted.web
> channel on the Freenode IRC server, which is an excellent real-time
> resource that has helped me a great deal with questions.
> Best regards,
> Ed Suominen
> On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 14:33 -0400, lloyd at paisite.com wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm Lloyd, I'm baffled, and I'd like to offer my modest talents to help
> > others like me come up to speed with Twisted.web in record time.
> >
> > I've been looking for a way to bring a large ColdFusion application over
> > to Python. Twisted.web looks to offer all that I could wish for and more.
> > The work to date is awe-inspiring. But... the documentation,
> > well-intentioned as it is, and much more ample than in many Open Source
> > projects, truly baffles me.
> >
> > I'm first to admit my limitations: I'm still in the early learning stages
> > of Python; I understand OO conceptually, but have little experience
> > writing or reading OO code; and, approaching the golden years, undoubtably
> > have far fewer functioning neurons than most of the subscribers to this
> > list, much less the brilliant young turks who have created the Twisted
> > framework.
> >
> > But, browsing through the archives, it's clear that I am not alone in my
> > confusion.
> >
> > So, I'd like to make a proposal:
> >
> > I have many years of writing and editing experience. Back in the days when
> > personal computers were still connected to audio cassette recorders, and I
> > was as excited but unenlightened about PCs as I am now about Twisted, I
> > contributed three well-received articles to Personal Computing magazine
> > under the name Techo Turkey. These helped readers hook up IBM Selectric
> > Terminals to their new PCs, create a computer-controlled haunted house for
> > Halloween, and set up a computer-controlled home security system.
> >
> > I would like now to offer to write some supplementary documentation for
> > Twisted.web aimed at turkeys like me -- the really really basic stuff plus
> > sure-to-work examples that can bring even Mickey-the-Dunce to sufficient
> > level of understanding that he can participate creatively in the Twisted
> > community.
> >
> > The catch: I need knowledgeable folks willing to answer my many many
> > stupid questions like, once you've installed Twisted from, say, Debian,
> > where should what files go and how should permissions be defined?
> > Undoubtably these generous mentors would also need to critique my newbie
> > code and perhaps, even, submit examples of their own. Who know, maybe we
> > could even get a book out of it.
> >
> > Any takers?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Lloyd
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