<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Sep 5, 2012, at 1:08 PM, <a href="mailto:exarkun@twistedmatrix.com">exarkun@twistedmatrix.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: none; ">On 07:55 pm,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:glyph@twistedmatrix.com" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">glyph@twistedmatrix.com</a><span style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: none; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><br>On Sep 5, 2012, at 12:11 PM, <a href="mailto:exarkun@twistedmatrix.com">exarkun@twistedmatrix.com</a> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On 06:41 pm, _@lvh.cc wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hey,<br><br>What is the appropriate way to run twistd apps in such a way that I<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>get<br>nice and loud deprecation warnings?<br></blockquote><br>1) Have complete unit test coverage and run your tests with trial.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>All<br>deprecation warnings will be written out as part of the test suite<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>run.<br><br>2) Run twistd with Python 2.6<br><br>3) Run twistd with Python 2.7 and pass "-W::DeprecationWarning:"<br></blockquote><br>A note for posterity - if we are ever to implement a generalized 'run<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>an inferior twistd process', or even 'run an inferior python<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>interpreter' mechanism, warning information like this is one of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>bits of runtime state that ought to be communicated.<br></blockquote><br style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: none; ">It would be nice if Python preserved its own command-line arguments<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: none; ">somewhere, but it doesn't seem to. :/ So figuring out what the runtime<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: none; ">state is is somewhat non-trivial in this case. Otherwise, I completely<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span style="font-family: Menlo; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: none; ">agree.</span><br></blockquote><br></div><div>Yeah, that's kinda why I specifically pointed it out. There are a number of command-line arguments which we should preserve if we can, but some (python -u, I think?) are lost to us entirely. Warning disposition though, is especially important, given that users might be running subprocesses and we should report warnings in code that is covered that way too.</div><div><br></div><div>-glyph</div><div><br></div></body></html>