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1. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted<br>
trademark (Jonathan Lange)<br>
2. How-to raise errors with sshclient conch example in Twisted<br>
book (asset)<br>
3. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted<br>
trademark (<a href="mailto:glyph@divmod.com">glyph@divmod.com</a>)<br>
4. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted<br>
trademark (Drew Smathers)<br>
5. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted<br>
trademark (Gabriel Rossetti)<br>
6. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted<br>
trademark (Chris Miles)<br>
7. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted<br>
trademark (Simon Pickles)<br>
8. Re: How-to raise errors with sshclient conch example in<br>
Twisted book (Kuba Konczyk)<br>
9. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted<br>
trademark (Michael)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:09:20 +1000<br>
From: "Jonathan Lange" <<a href="mailto:jml@mumak.net">jml@mumak.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us<br>
preserve a Twisted trademark<br>
To: "Twisted general discussion" <<a href="mailto:twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com">twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com</a>><br>
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Tim Stebbing <<a href="mailto:tjstebbing@gmail.com">tjstebbing@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> More seriously, Emacs, Apache, Linux, Python, Debian and Ubuntu are<br>
>> all trademarked. The Emacs trademark is held by the FSF, bastions of<br>
>> ideological purity. So far, I've encountered only one person who finds<br>
>> this suspicious. Hi Tim :)<br>
>><br>
><br>
> 'other people do this thing so we should also do this thing' is not a<br>
> great argument. I'm not against the idea, I just have some questions<br>
> we're yet to have answered.<br>
><br>
<br>
That's not what I said.<br>
<br>
You said "trademarks make people suspicious". I provided<br>
counter-examples, demonstrating that your statement is not true in the<br>
general case.<br>
<br>
jml<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:40:32 -0700<br>
From: "asset" <<a href="mailto:asset@impactdamage.com">asset@impactdamage.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Twisted-Python] How-to raise errors with sshclient conch<br>
example in Twisted book<br>
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Ref: <a href="http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Python/SSH-with-Twisted/4/" target="_blank">http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Python/SSH-with-Twisted/4/</a> =<br>
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Im new to Twisted and am trying to learn as quickly as I can. I apologize =<br>
if this question is a waste of anybody's time.<br>
<br>
When working the with sshclient.py example (from the Twisted book, and the =<br>
link above) I find the reactor hangs and does not raise an exception on con=<br>
nection failures or failed authentication.<br>
<br>
Ive been trying to work out how to catch these situations and shut down the=<br>
reactor; or cleanup for another attempt, yet I cant seem to wrap my head a=<br>
round it.<br>
<br>
I imagine this is trivial and Im totally missing it.<br>
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Any help would be greatly appreciated.<br>
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Thx,<br>
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TKiel<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 03:43:39 -0000<br>
From: <a href="mailto:glyph@divmod.com">glyph@divmod.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us<br>
preserve a Twisted trademark<br>
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On 12:52 am, <a href="mailto:waterbug@pangalactic.us">waterbug@pangalactic.us</a> wrote:<br>
>I think trademarking "twisted" is a good idea, if only to have<br>
>a prior claim in the (unlikely) event someone else should<br>
>try to claim it for something in the context of software.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
>I'm not enthusiastic about "twisty" as a naming standard for<br>
>anything -- partly from jml's observations and partly just some<br>
>aversion to it that I don't understand myself -- if I don't<br>
>mind "twisted", why would "twisty" bother me? I dunno.<br>
<br>
I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself, personally. I<br>
think we need some word to fill that role (the one that "Py" fills for<br>
Python) but please feel free to suggest something else. It doesn't have<br>
to be a full word - "Py" isn't. "Twi"? (Quick, someone come up with a<br>
home lighting control project that uses twisted so we can have<br>
"TwiLight".)<br>
<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:10:10 -0400<br>
From: "Drew Smathers" <<a href="mailto:drew.smathers@gmail.com">drew.smathers@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us<br>
preserve a Twisted trademark<br>
To: "Twisted general discussion" <<a href="mailto:twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com">twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com</a>><br>
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM, <<a href="mailto:glyph@divmod.com">glyph@divmod.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On 12:52 am, <a href="mailto:waterbug@pangalactic.us">waterbug@pangalactic.us</a> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I think trademarking "twisted" is a good idea, if only to have<br>
>> a prior claim in the (unlikely) event someone else should<br>
>> try to claim it for something in the context of software.<br>
><br>
> Thanks.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm not enthusiastic about "twisty" as a naming standard for<br>
>> anything -- partly from jml's observations and partly just some<br>
>> aversion to it that I don't understand myself -- if I don't<br>
>> mind "twisted", why would "twisty" bother me? I dunno.<br>
><br>
> I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself, personally. I<br>
> think we need some word to fill that role (the one that "Py" fills for<br>
> Python) but please feel free to suggest something else. It doesn't have to<br>
> be a full word - "Py" isn't. "Twi"? (Quick, someone come up with a home<br>
> lighting control project that uses twisted so we can have "TwiLight".)<br>
><br>
<br>
I think "Twi" is problematic because it's on the cusp of becoming a<br>
word, or even worse, too easily mistaken for an acronym (and a rather<br>
pedestrian sounding acronym due to the closeness to the airliner TWA).<br>
Also Twi SNMP, Twi Storage, and Twi Goodies all sound (and read)<br>
horribly as project names. My vote is for just "Tw" or the word<br>
"Twist".<br>
<br>
--<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:34:11 +0200<br>
From: Gabriel Rossetti <mailing_lists@evotex.ch><br>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us<br>
preserve a Twisted trademark<br>
To: Twisted general discussion <<a href="mailto:twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com">twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com</a>><br>
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<a href="mailto:glyph@divmod.com">glyph@divmod.com</a> wrote:<br>
> On 12:52 am, <a href="mailto:waterbug@pangalactic.us">waterbug@pangalactic.us</a> wrote:<br>
>> I think trademarking "twisted" is a good idea, if only to have<br>
>> a prior claim in the (unlikely) event someone else should<br>
>> try to claim it for something in the context of software.<br>
><br>
> Thanks.<br>
>> I'm not enthusiastic about "twisty" as a naming standard for<br>
>> anything -- partly from jml's observations and partly just some<br>
>> aversion to it that I don't understand myself -- if I don't<br>
>> mind "twisted", why would "twisty" bother me? I dunno.<br>
><br>
> I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself, personally.<br>
> I think we need some word to fill that role (the one that "Py" fills<br>
> for Python) but please feel free to suggest something else. It<br>
> doesn't have to be a full word - "Py" isn't. "Twi"? (Quick, someone<br>
> come up with a home lighting control project that uses twisted so we<br>
> can have "TwiLight".)<br>
><br>
I'm also not really fond of Twisty, why not just "tw"? For "Twisted<br>
Goodies" & "Twisted Storage" that would make it "twGoodies" and<br>
"twStorage", just my 2 cents.<br>
<br>
Gabriel<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 17:18:40 +1000<br>
From: Chris Miles <<a href="mailto:miles.chris@gmail.com">miles.chris@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us<br>
preserve a Twisted trademark<br>
To: Twisted general discussion <<a href="mailto:twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com">twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com</a>><br>
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On 30/05/2008, at 4:34 PM, Gabriel Rossetti wrote:<br>
> <a href="mailto:glyph@divmod.com">glyph@divmod.com</a> wrote:<br>
>> I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself,<br>
>> personally. I think we need some word to fill that role (the one<br>
>> that "Py" fills for Python) but please feel free to suggest<br>
>> something else. It doesn't have to be a full word - "Py" isn't.<br>
>> "Twi"? (Quick, someone come up with a home lighting control<br>
>> project that uses twisted so we can have "TwiLight".)<br>
>><br>
> I'm also not really fond of Twisty, why not just "tw"? For "Twisted<br>
> Goodies" & "Twisted Storage" that would make it "twGoodies" and<br>
> "twStorage", just my 2 cents.<br>
<br>
The "tw" prefix is already used by ToscaWidgets-related packages, see <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5sjyhu" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/5sjyhu</a><br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
CM<br>
<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:35:21 +0100<br>
From: Simon Pickles <<a href="mailto:sipickles@googlemail.com">sipickles@googlemail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us<br>
preserve a Twisted trademark<br>
To: Twisted general discussion <<a href="mailto:twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com">twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com</a>><br>
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Chris Miles wrote:<br>
><br>
> The "tw" prefix is already used by ToscaWidgets-related packages, see<br>
> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5sjyhu" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/5sjyhu</a><br>
><br>
><br>
'twd' says twisted to me...<br>
<br>
Si<br>
<br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:08:58 +0100<br>
From: "Kuba Konczyk" <<a href="mailto:jakamkon@gmail.com">jakamkon@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] How-to raise errors with sshclient conch<br>
example in Twisted book<br>
To: <a href="mailto:asset@impactdamage.com">asset@impactdamage.com</a>, "Twisted general discussion"<br>
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2008/5/30 asset <<a href="mailto:asset@impactdamage.com">asset@impactdamage.com</a>>:<br>
[...]<br>
><br>
> When working the with sshclient.py example (from the Twisted book, and the<br>
> link above) I find the reactor hangs and does not raise an exception on<br>
> connection failures or failed authentication.<br>
><br>
Try to turn on logging using twisted.python.log(sys.stderr).I would<br>
also suggest to put it after getpass in example you're using.<br>
For handling a connection failures have a look at<br>
clientConnectionFailed in ClientFactory and for a authentication<br>
errors receiveError in SSHClientTransport.<br>
<br>
><br>
> TKiel<br>
jkk<br>
<br>
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Message: 9<br>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:52:30 +0100<br>
From: Michael <<a href="mailto:ms@cerenity.org">ms@cerenity.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us<br>
preserve a Twisted trademark<br>
To: <a href="mailto:twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com">twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com</a><br>
Cc: Tim Stebbing <<a href="mailto:tjstebbing@gmail.com">tjstebbing@gmail.com</a>><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="http://200805301052.31509.ms" target="_blank">200805301052.31509.ms</a>@<a href="http://cerenity.org" target="_blank">cerenity.org</a>><br>
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On Friday 30 May 2008 01:25:19 Tim Stebbing wrote:<br>
> why?<br>
><br>
> I mean, if you trademark 'Twisted' and developer X goes and calls his<br>
> bit of code 'twisted foo' are you going to pursue him in court? To<br>
> what end?<br>
<br>
There's also defensive trademarking. If Linux (for example) had been<br>
trademarked early, this would never have happened:<br>
<br>
In the United States, the name Linux is a trademark registered to Linus<br>
Torvalds.[59] Initially, nobody registered it, but on August 15, 1994,<br>
William R. Della Croce, Jr. filed for the trademark Linux, and then<br>
demanded royalties from Linux distributors. In 1996, Torvalds and some<br>
affected organizations sued him to have the trademark assigned to<br>
Torvalds, and in 1997 the case was settled.[60]<br>
( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Licensing.2C_trademark.2C_and_naming" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Licensing.2C_trademark.2C_and_naming</a> )<br>
<br>
<br>
Michael.<br>
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