[Twisted-Python] New TwistedMatrix WebSite - wainting for comments
lafou at wanadoo.fr
Wed Jul 9 15:55:05 EDT 2003
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 21:28, Peter Herndon wrote:
> > Yes, Plone is an Add on for Zope CMF. Maybe in the future some parts
> > of the site would
> > use twisted products (still to define).
> Why do you believe we need the content management features of Plone?
> What is your rationale? And, perhaps more to the point, perhaps you
> should consider rewriting the functionality using Twisted, if you deem
> the features necessary. After all, the Twisted website is the premier
> working advertisement for the Twisted code, at least at the moment. If
> we don't eat our own dogfood, that will reflect very poorly on Twisted.
That's why I putted the logo twisted powered in footer. I'd love to see
some apps running on such website.
> Please understand, I am not trying to belittle Twisted in any way, but
> the website is the one working example of Twisted that I know about.
> In all the other cases listed under "Success Stories", Twisted is being
> used in its role as framework-under-the-covers, and is not on public
> display. Having a public-accessible example of Twisted allows the
> potential user to "kick the tires" before buying.
There's no -- known -- success story about twisted. I saw Issues, but
it's maybe the only plugin / product / app which is not deprecated.
You shouldn't forget that Twisted has not only developers, but USERS too
! The current website and mailing are designed for developers, not users
(which is a good starting point btw).
> Reinventing the wheel that is Plone is by no means a trivial task, yet
> I believe that moving to a solution that is not powered by Twisted
> would be a very bad move in terms of public relations. Of course,
> writing a bridge layer to make Plone run on top of Twisted would be
> really cool, too. Insane, maybe, but cool. ;)
I agree, that would be great. Now, we don't have known products. Making
such a bridge would be too much efforts.
We really need some working exemple, some uptodate apps that show how to
Plone would help us to set a dynamic community, and that the only point
I see. Twisted.web is not designed to make content management
applications, so please let zope and plone do their job.
> For what it might be worth, I would suggest using Twisted in all areas
> that you possibly can. For instance, Twisted has an NNTP server. So,
> why aren't we (or are we, I don't know?) mirroring this mailing list as
> a newsgroup? Stuff like this provides great advertising opportunities.
Would be a good idea. New users don't use the mailing list just to give
twisted a shot. They are often disappointed by the lack of uptodate docs
(sorry for my english)
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